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Bob welcome to the 5 00:00:33,119 --> 00:00:20,670 skeptic zone the podcast from Australia 6 00:00:40,119 --> 00:00:35,680 hello and welcome to the skeptic zone 7 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:40,129 number 317 for the 16th of November 2014 8 00:00:44,979 --> 00:00:42,890 or 2014 or that year that came after 9 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:44,989 last main are here filling in for 10 00:00:50,020 --> 00:00:47,570 Richard Saunders who's out of action but 11 00:00:51,549 --> 00:00:50,030 he's not out of action if you know what 12 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:51,559 I mean anyway he's out of the other 13 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:54,050 action for this week and he cannot speak 14 00:00:59,290 --> 00:00:56,930 yes Richard Saunders the throat that 15 00:01:02,319 --> 00:00:59,300 dare not speak its name can I say that 16 00:01:04,810 --> 00:01:02,329 poor Richard anyway send you up send 17 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:04,820 your condolences care of this podcast to 18 00:01:09,700 --> 00:01:06,530 Richard and he'll be back on deck before 19 00:01:12,070 --> 00:01:09,710 you know it but the deck is the deck of 20 00:01:14,290 --> 00:01:12,080 the SS lollipop but he'll still be there 21 00:01:16,359 --> 00:01:14,300 as a result as a result of this week's 22 00:01:19,719 --> 00:01:16,369 show the part of Richard Saunders will 23 00:01:21,790 --> 00:01:19,729 be played by Maynard wearing no pants 24 00:01:24,969 --> 00:01:21,800 which is a good thing it's an audio 25 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:24,979 podcast and there's no cover art here's 26 00:01:28,660 --> 00:01:26,570 what we've got lots and lots and lots of 27 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:28,670 skeptical goodness speaking of skeptical 28 00:01:32,919 --> 00:01:30,170 goodness you can catch me on the 29 00:01:35,740 --> 00:01:32,929 splitting cases podcast in which I sold 30 00:01:38,109 --> 00:01:35,750 that age-old skeptical question which is 31 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:38,119 the better movie can't stop the music or 32 00:01:42,429 --> 00:01:40,130 spice world okay the answer isn't 33 00:01:44,350 --> 00:01:42,439 exactly a skeptical one but it is as the 34 00:01:46,690 --> 00:01:44,360 religious amongst you would believe a 35 00:01:48,670 --> 00:01:46,700 revealed truth anyway that's the 36 00:01:50,260 --> 00:01:48,680 splitting cases podcast they've got none 37 00:01:52,270 --> 00:01:50,270 that nonsense here today we've got some 38 00:01:53,859 --> 00:01:52,280 other nonsense at the top of the show we 39 00:01:56,530 --> 00:01:53,869 have an interview with dr. Julie ladder 40 00:01:58,690 --> 00:01:56,540 The Skeptical vet now this was done 41 00:01:59,920 --> 00:01:58,700 before which his voice went south which 42 00:02:01,810 --> 00:01:59,930 means he was still at the top part of 43 00:02:03,700 --> 00:02:01,820 New South Wales at the time and dr. 44 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:03,710 Julie will set us on some wacky woo 45 00:02:08,050 --> 00:02:05,930 she's had to deal with as a vet because 46 00:02:10,690 --> 00:02:08,060 believe you me the wacky woo world is 47 00:02:12,940 --> 00:02:10,700 not just confined to those of us with a 48 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:12,950 monkey vault brain I'm sorry that should 49 00:02:17,319 --> 00:02:15,530 be a primate evolved brain I thought you 50 00:02:19,569 --> 00:02:17,329 got me there but no I read a book once 51 00:02:21,819 --> 00:02:19,579 then it's this week in science from our 52 00:02:23,530 --> 00:02:21,829 iOS man they've been working hard in 53 00:02:26,229 --> 00:02:23,540 South Australia they have decriminalized 54 00:02:27,640 --> 00:02:26,239 pot then they recriminate and I don't 55 00:02:29,650 --> 00:02:27,650 know what's going on but has a lot to do 56 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:29,660 with the output of our iOS it's all 57 00:02:33,190 --> 00:02:31,730 happening out of Adelaide it's not just 58 00:02:35,289 --> 00:02:33,200 the city of weird murders anymore and 59 00:02:37,980 --> 00:02:35,299 around off the show it's evidence please 60 00:02:40,890 --> 00:02:37,990 that's pronounced evidence 61 00:02:42,330 --> 00:02:40,900 easy with Joe alabaster now this week 62 00:02:44,310 --> 00:02:42,340 she's looking at the reaction that 63 00:02:47,460 --> 00:02:44,320 homeopathy got when it claimed a good 64 00:02:49,620 --> 00:02:47,470 treat Ebola let's just say um it was not 65 00:02:51,690 --> 00:02:49,630 overwhelmingly good that's probably the 66 00:02:55,670 --> 00:02:51,700 best way to put it I like the guy who 67 00:02:58,590 --> 00:02:55,680 flew from Vermont to say he could cure 68 00:03:00,840 --> 00:02:58,600 Ebola using time travel in quantum and 69 00:03:02,610 --> 00:03:00,850 claimed that he was a doctor well 70 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:02,620 obviously that's a stupid because if 71 00:03:08,130 --> 00:03:04,570 he's making that claim he would be the 72 00:03:11,700 --> 00:03:08,140 doctor said topical and humorous now if 73 00:03:14,640 --> 00:03:11,710 you'd like to meet Richard Saunders Joe 74 00:03:16,920 --> 00:03:14,650 alabaster I'll be hiding a cupboard and 75 00:03:18,450 --> 00:03:16,930 other things at the biggest rayon 76 00:03:20,460 --> 00:03:18,460 skeptics National Convention and we're 77 00:03:22,730 --> 00:03:20,470 going to live which cupboard and it's 78 00:03:25,590 --> 00:03:22,740 not a closet it's slightly smaller 79 00:03:27,660 --> 00:03:25,600 that's the 20 go the 30th of November in 80 00:03:29,550 --> 00:03:27,670 chatswood now it's just going to be 81 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:29,560 happening there basically let's just 82 00:03:34,410 --> 00:03:32,410 honestly tell you if you aren't going to 83 00:03:35,850 --> 00:03:34,420 this event you have to have a good look 84 00:03:37,650 --> 00:03:35,860 at what you're doing in your life and 85 00:03:40,050 --> 00:03:37,660 either put a big tick next to it or not 86 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:40,060 that just make or break time like what 87 00:03:43,620 --> 00:03:41,410 I'm going to be talking to George Arab 88 00:03:45,570 --> 00:03:43,630 but if you like to meet everybody get 89 00:03:46,470 --> 00:03:45,580 going and get to that website you've got 90 00:03:47,970 --> 00:03:46,480 you're going to make everyone's going to 91 00:03:50,670 --> 00:03:47,980 be there you're going to hear stories 92 00:03:52,530 --> 00:03:50,680 about it I'm going to do over 2600 93 00:03:54,060 --> 00:03:52,540 interviews so that there will no be 94 00:03:55,500 --> 00:03:54,070 about me after this convention there 95 00:03:58,110 --> 00:03:55,510 won't be a skipping zone it'll just be 96 00:04:00,780 --> 00:03:58,120 it'll be the National Convention skeptic 97 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:00,790 zone show for the next three years it's 98 00:04:04,350 --> 00:04:02,410 all happening at the skeptics National 99 00:04:06,300 --> 00:04:04,360 Convention 28 the 30th November in 100 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:06,310 chatswood who knows i might even 101 00:04:09,630 --> 00:04:07,930 interview you and your better have an 102 00:04:11,460 --> 00:04:09,640 answer prepared and it doesn't even have 103 00:04:14,010 --> 00:04:11,470 to be to one of my questions so i could 104 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:14,020 just say how you today and you can say 105 00:04:19,170 --> 00:04:16,810 bundaberg and then I'll just have to 106 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:19,180 guess see that just throws it completely 107 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:20,530 back on the interview it's an old ABC 108 00:04:24,270 --> 00:04:22,930 tactic just have a question ready for 109 00:04:25,710 --> 00:04:24,280 whatever they ask you first I mean the 110 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:25,720 Prime Minister goes on there and they 111 00:04:29,310 --> 00:04:27,490 going how you tonight and he goes I'm 112 00:04:30,630 --> 00:04:29,320 not so sure about that who told you see 113 00:04:32,820 --> 00:04:30,640 and let's just get you out of the 114 00:04:35,010 --> 00:04:32,830 trouble straightaway and like I said get 115 00:04:37,230 --> 00:04:35,020 yep so get that really and for more 116 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:37,240 information for more information about 117 00:04:41,370 --> 00:04:38,890 the National skeptics conference please 118 00:04:43,530 --> 00:04:41,380 go for the love of whatever you believe 119 00:04:45,540 --> 00:04:43,540 in other than God hang on hang on I read 120 00:04:47,610 --> 00:04:45,550 a book once no that's not right for the 121 00:04:51,690 --> 00:04:47,620 love of not believing in any deity at 122 00:04:53,490 --> 00:04:51,700 all you go to convention skeptics 123 00:04:55,860 --> 00:04:53,500 on that are you and I would actually 124 00:04:57,690 --> 00:04:55,870 like to talk to any skeptics who are 125 00:04:59,880 --> 00:04:57,700 there who are Christians who are 126 00:05:02,040 --> 00:04:59,890 believers because I gotta say haven't 127 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:02,050 met many in the skeptics movement and 128 00:05:05,940 --> 00:05:04,450 I'm interested in in hearing well why 129 00:05:07,590 --> 00:05:05,950 you believe what you believe and had 130 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:07,600 that works for you and I'd like to know 131 00:05:10,380 --> 00:05:09,010 that and I think we might like to do 132 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:10,390 that that's just an offer out there 133 00:05:14,010 --> 00:05:12,730 remember how that answer ready bundaberg 134 00:05:15,270 --> 00:05:14,020 could be one of them but since I've 135 00:05:17,010 --> 00:05:15,280 already used that answer you'll have to 136 00:05:19,830 --> 00:05:17,020 find your own well now it's time for me 137 00:05:22,860 --> 00:05:19,840 to go into the next room look under the 138 00:05:26,280 --> 00:05:22,870 bed and find out what the penthouse pet 139 00:05:27,570 --> 00:05:26,290 of the month in 1981 as a car I can't 140 00:05:29,670 --> 00:05:27,580 reveal that answer you'll have to look 141 00:05:33,060 --> 00:05:29,680 that I want up on the internet what did 142 00:05:34,290 --> 00:05:33,070 she win as a car and when you see the 143 00:05:36,060 --> 00:05:34,300 answer you really have to wonder if the 144 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:36,070 whole thing was worth it but while I'm 145 00:05:39,540 --> 00:05:37,210 doing that I hope you can find 146 00:05:44,210 --> 00:05:39,550 everything under the bed there enjoy the 147 00:05:44,220 --> 00:06:01,100 Oh 148 00:06:06,809 --> 00:06:05,370 and joining me now from their beautiful 149 00:06:08,189 --> 00:06:06,819 place in the world that won't be told 150 00:06:10,110 --> 00:06:08,199 it's beautiful i'd like to visit me i'd 151 00:06:11,670 --> 00:06:10,120 like to visit everywhere whenever I 152 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:11,680 interview people I always like to go and 153 00:06:15,779 --> 00:06:13,330 visit Lee maybe even if I've never been 154 00:06:18,450 --> 00:06:15,789 before from what I imagined to be 155 00:06:21,330 --> 00:06:18,460 beautiful indianapolis in indiana it's 156 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:21,340 dr. julie ladder The Skeptical vet hello 157 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:24,610 Julie era turd it's been a little while 158 00:06:27,779 --> 00:06:26,289 since we've caught up with you in fact 159 00:06:30,089 --> 00:06:27,789 August last year was the last time 160 00:06:34,020 --> 00:06:30,099 you're on the skeptic zone and for those 161 00:06:37,620 --> 00:06:34,030 people who may not remember you spend a 162 00:06:39,629 --> 00:06:37,630 long time I guess in at the end or on 163 00:06:44,399 --> 00:06:39,639 the island of sand kits to become a vent 164 00:06:47,070 --> 00:06:44,409 and I bet you still miss that oh i do i 165 00:06:49,409 --> 00:06:47,080 miss the island so much gotten my blood 166 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:49,419 in a big bad way so how are you coping 167 00:06:58,680 --> 00:06:55,210 of in the real world uh work keeps me 168 00:07:01,589 --> 00:06:58,690 pretty busy but I definitely I'm going 169 00:07:03,719 --> 00:07:01,599 on a Caribbean cruise and fabulous so I 170 00:07:06,779 --> 00:07:03,729 guess I couldn't sail away for two very 171 00:07:09,439 --> 00:07:06,789 long he going back to some kids not to 172 00:07:12,209 --> 00:07:09,449 think it's now when definitely effective 173 00:07:14,189 --> 00:07:12,219 island living for a week at least well 174 00:07:17,909 --> 00:07:14,199 it'll i'm sure it'll seem very familiar 175 00:07:22,290 --> 00:07:17,919 to you yeah I'm probably never gonna 176 00:07:24,089 --> 00:07:22,300 leave the ocean for most part of it well 177 00:07:27,420 --> 00:07:24,099 maybe you should specialize and become a 178 00:07:29,879 --> 00:07:27,430 Marine veteran such a thing oh yeah 179 00:07:31,469 --> 00:07:29,889 actually one of my classmates took a job 180 00:07:35,459 --> 00:07:31,479 in florida and he's working primarily 181 00:07:37,529 --> 00:07:35,469 with aquatic mammals dolphins and things 182 00:07:40,050 --> 00:07:37,539 like that that sounds pretty good oh 183 00:07:42,390 --> 00:07:40,060 yeah yeah i can i could just picture you 184 00:07:44,879 --> 00:07:42,400 doing that because i have a picture of 185 00:07:47,730 --> 00:07:44,889 you in a wet suit under water with the 186 00:07:50,790 --> 00:07:47,740 whole scuba gear on because when i was 187 00:07:52,649 --> 00:07:50,800 getting dive certified down there I can 188 00:07:54,719 --> 00:07:52,659 tell you've got quite an affinity for 189 00:07:57,220 --> 00:07:54,729 animals just by the way you chat about 190 00:08:00,010 --> 00:07:57,230 them marine animals and all 191 00:08:03,550 --> 00:08:00,020 but what I was hoping to talk to you 192 00:08:07,180 --> 00:08:03,560 today about being a vet and and you've 193 00:08:10,690 --> 00:08:07,190 been a for-real vet now for a while I 194 00:08:13,420 --> 00:08:10,700 dealing with animals on a daily basis 195 00:08:17,980 --> 00:08:13,430 all sorts of animals large and small we 196 00:08:20,380 --> 00:08:17,990 have in what's been referred to as far 197 00:08:22,420 --> 00:08:20,390 as people go as the doctor Google 198 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:22,430 syndrome where people will Google their 199 00:08:25,930 --> 00:08:24,290 illnesses I'll see a rash on themselves 200 00:08:28,300 --> 00:08:25,940 or feel a bump or something run to 201 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:28,310 Google come up with all sorts of crazy 202 00:08:35,890 --> 00:08:31,370 diagnosis but I understand this also 203 00:08:39,460 --> 00:08:35,900 happens to vets yeah um it's kind of 204 00:08:43,890 --> 00:08:39,470 like a a mixed blessing because we love 205 00:08:48,220 --> 00:08:43,900 owners who are invested and completely 206 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:48,230 involved in in their pets care and do 207 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:51,050 their homework it's fantastic if I say 208 00:08:55,870 --> 00:08:53,450 okay well your pet is hypothyroid or has 209 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:55,880 diabetes and at their next follow-up 210 00:08:59,080 --> 00:08:57,770 visit they're like yeah well I've been 211 00:09:00,700 --> 00:08:59,090 reading on the internet about this 212 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:00,710 treatment and that treatment and I know 213 00:09:05,110 --> 00:09:03,170 the things to look out for that might 214 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:05,120 you know signal that they're getting 215 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:07,970 worse so i love it when i get the owners 216 00:09:12,580 --> 00:09:09,530 who put in the time and the effort 217 00:09:14,530 --> 00:09:12,590 that's fantastic what I'm less in love 218 00:09:16,150 --> 00:09:14,540 with is the owners who show up and 219 00:09:17,710 --> 00:09:16,160 they're like oh my dogs you know gaining 220 00:09:19,390 --> 00:09:17,720 weight even though we cut their food 221 00:09:20,980 --> 00:09:19,400 back and we've been exercising more so 222 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:20,990 they're hypothyroid so just give me the 223 00:09:26,830 --> 00:09:24,650 thyroid really so they walk in already 224 00:09:28,690 --> 00:09:26,840 having diagnosed the animal themselves 225 00:09:31,180 --> 00:09:28,700 and they know what medicine they want 226 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:31,190 you to prescribe yeah yeah they tell me 227 00:09:35,410 --> 00:09:34,130 like I want thyroxine or my dog's been 228 00:09:37,210 --> 00:09:35,420 shaking its head a lot it's got a ear 229 00:09:40,630 --> 00:09:37,220 infection put some medicine and IM it 230 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:40,640 it's kind of like selling i don't want 231 00:09:46,570 --> 00:09:44,290 to say selling hello let's do this um 232 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:46,580 getting owners to comply with a 233 00:09:50,140 --> 00:09:48,290 treatment plan that I've put together 234 00:09:52,660 --> 00:09:50,150 where it okay well we need to test their 235 00:09:54,310 --> 00:09:52,670 t4 then and see if it's lower I need to 236 00:09:57,490 --> 00:09:54,320 run an ear slob and look at it under a 237 00:09:58,780 --> 00:09:57,500 microscope they they've already made up 238 00:10:00,160 --> 00:09:58,790 their minds it's an ear infection just 239 00:10:03,250 --> 00:10:00,170 put medicine in it why can't you just 240 00:10:04,690 --> 00:10:03,260 give me medicine Wow and you then I kind 241 00:10:06,700 --> 00:10:04,700 of go into my whole explanation of well 242 00:10:09,610 --> 00:10:06,710 you know it could be bacteria it could 243 00:10:10,690 --> 00:10:09,620 be used of the kinds of bacteria could 244 00:10:12,700 --> 00:10:10,700 be they're different and I'm 245 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:12,710 products that work better or worse so I 246 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:15,770 really need the ear swab in order to 247 00:10:22,300 --> 00:10:20,210 give you the right medicine and that is 248 00:10:24,670 --> 00:10:22,310 definitely one of the struggles of being 249 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:24,680 a veterinarian is you know you hear all 250 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:26,930 these jokes of I know I became at that 251 00:10:32,740 --> 00:10:30,050 because I don't like people I haven't 252 00:10:36,220 --> 00:10:32,750 heard that one be four a huge part of 253 00:10:39,220 --> 00:10:36,230 what we do and especially explaining you 254 00:10:43,030 --> 00:10:39,230 know why I want certain things and why I 255 00:10:45,550 --> 00:10:43,040 need certain Diagnostics it's a major 256 00:10:48,340 --> 00:10:45,560 part of what I do and dr. google doesn't 257 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:48,350 make it easy sometimes no I can imagine 258 00:10:55,390 --> 00:10:51,650 so because this is a problem what can be 259 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:55,400 a problem faced by GPS I don't know it's 260 00:10:59,260 --> 00:10:57,650 maybe not so much specialist maybe by 261 00:11:01,330 --> 00:10:59,270 the time people get to that stage there 262 00:11:03,670 --> 00:11:01,340 it's not such a problem but certainly 263 00:11:05,110 --> 00:11:03,680 we've heard about it with GPS as i said 264 00:11:07,750 --> 00:11:05,120 before people marching in and saying 265 00:11:10,150 --> 00:11:07,760 I've got this condition or I've got that 266 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:10,160 condition and I want I want you to do 267 00:11:15,790 --> 00:11:13,250 this or that fort so although I 268 00:11:17,650 --> 00:11:15,800 shouldn't be surprised it happens to 269 00:11:20,650 --> 00:11:17,660 vets I am surprised because it never 270 00:11:24,190 --> 00:11:20,660 never crossed my mind before do you find 271 00:11:27,460 --> 00:11:24,200 this a regular occurrence yeah yeah 272 00:11:29,860 --> 00:11:27,470 definitely and it did it very much 273 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:29,870 ranges from the people who are like oh 274 00:11:34,930 --> 00:11:32,330 you know I i just read about it and so I 275 00:11:37,270 --> 00:11:34,940 thought that you know maybe we would be 276 00:11:39,070 --> 00:11:37,280 able to get the medicine without doing 277 00:11:40,930 --> 00:11:39,080 the swamp but now that you've explained 278 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:40,940 it I understand why it's important that 279 00:11:45,430 --> 00:11:43,730 we do and then you get the other end who 280 00:11:47,170 --> 00:11:45,440 just their minds are made up and they 281 00:11:51,310 --> 00:11:47,180 think that you're I've been accused of 282 00:11:54,550 --> 00:11:51,320 stealing of over selling products or 283 00:11:57,220 --> 00:11:54,560 services of ripping people off and it 284 00:11:59,620 --> 00:11:57,230 hurts you know I'm not trying to rip you 285 00:12:04,870 --> 00:11:59,630 up and I'm trying to do the best thing 286 00:12:08,580 --> 00:12:04,880 for your pet and um it sucks when you 287 00:12:12,370 --> 00:12:08,590 get accused of being self interested or 288 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:12,380 out for money when that's not your cool 289 00:12:17,110 --> 00:12:15,410 so you you've literally had people come 290 00:12:18,670 --> 00:12:17,120 in and say this is what's wrong with my 291 00:12:19,690 --> 00:12:18,680 pet I need this medicine he said now 292 00:12:20,940 --> 00:12:19,700 hang on a minute I've got to run some 293 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:20,950 tests and they'll they'll 294 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:24,370 argue the point with you but more than 295 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:26,410 argued appointment they'll outright 296 00:12:33,140 --> 00:12:31,330 accuse me of malpractice and trying to 297 00:12:37,410 --> 00:12:33,150 sell them things that they don't need 298 00:12:39,990 --> 00:12:37,420 wow wow you know I don't want to sue 299 00:12:41,070 --> 00:12:40,000 portray this is the usual but it's 300 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:41,080 definitely something that any 301 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:42,490 veterinarian will tell you they deal 302 00:12:47,550 --> 00:12:45,850 with Wow the Internet age and it brings 303 00:12:50,460 --> 00:12:47,560 all sorts of interesting things to it to 304 00:12:53,430 --> 00:12:50,470 people but arguments in the veterinarian 305 00:12:56,850 --> 00:12:53,440 clinic that that I didn't foresee I must 306 00:12:58,800 --> 00:12:56,860 hit me hit and what what do you see most 307 00:13:00,060 --> 00:12:58,810 of in your practice is it simply the 308 00:13:02,070 --> 00:13:00,070 what we couldn't might call the 309 00:13:05,580 --> 00:13:02,080 traditional cats and dogs and my son no 310 00:13:08,070 --> 00:13:05,590 I don't know what else yeah it's mostly 311 00:13:10,290 --> 00:13:08,080 a cat and dog practice since I came in 312 00:13:11,820 --> 00:13:10,300 I'm at a practice with four doctors now 313 00:13:14,250 --> 00:13:11,830 that I've joined there were three before 314 00:13:16,110 --> 00:13:14,260 um none of the three were terribly 315 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:16,120 comfortable with doing any exotic animal 316 00:13:22,260 --> 00:13:19,450 medicine um exotic smiiing the pocket 317 00:13:24,300 --> 00:13:22,270 pets reptiles amphibians birds gerbils 318 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:24,310 hamsters that kind of thing so those are 319 00:13:28,980 --> 00:13:26,610 more my thing and I'm definitely very 320 00:13:30,900 --> 00:13:28,990 interested in exotic animal medicine so 321 00:13:34,410 --> 00:13:30,910 I've been seeing a lot more of those 322 00:13:36,210 --> 00:13:34,420 kind of patients and then we're kind of 323 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:36,220 running into well I need this then Enzo 324 00:13:41,940 --> 00:13:38,530 I'm bringing more diagnostic tools into 325 00:13:44,790 --> 00:13:41,950 the clinic too so it's um it's a growing 326 00:13:46,980 --> 00:13:44,800 part of our practice the exotic pet 327 00:13:51,510 --> 00:13:46,990 market isn't that interesting and what 328 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:51,520 would I mean you say what reptiles and 329 00:13:57,260 --> 00:13:53,290 things well you must have seen a few 330 00:14:00,690 --> 00:13:57,270 very strange exotic pets oh yeah and 331 00:14:06,210 --> 00:14:00,700 well not so much at my current practice 332 00:14:09,990 --> 00:14:06,220 by in clinics um I've I saw porcupines I 333 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:10,000 saw a Patagonian cavy which is the 334 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:12,010 second or third largest rodent in the 335 00:14:19,980 --> 00:14:14,650 world they be they look like on stilts 336 00:14:24,270 --> 00:14:19,990 and ton of enormous reptiles and birds 337 00:14:29,850 --> 00:14:24,280 giant parrots tons of cool stuff you see 338 00:14:31,230 --> 00:14:29,860 many snakes yeah yeah yeah um not I've 339 00:14:32,910 --> 00:14:31,240 seen a couple since I've been in private 340 00:14:34,769 --> 00:14:32,920 practice I saw a lot and when I 341 00:14:40,829 --> 00:14:34,779 is going to my clinical year school but 342 00:14:43,190 --> 00:14:40,839 um less so I do see um a lot of pocket 343 00:14:46,530 --> 00:14:43,200 pets and reptiles and things from 344 00:14:49,620 --> 00:14:46,540 petsmart the it's a pet store that they 345 00:14:52,949 --> 00:14:49,630 have live animals and I've been referred 346 00:14:56,090 --> 00:14:52,959 a lot of their pets from all around 347 00:14:58,800 --> 00:14:56,100 Indianapolis actually I've had as far as 348 00:15:01,740 --> 00:14:58,810 Avon which is about 13 miles away from 349 00:15:04,410 --> 00:15:01,750 the clinic and they've driven to come 350 00:15:07,199 --> 00:15:04,420 see me yeah so that's it's wonderful 351 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:07,209 it's fantastic to you know have word of 352 00:15:11,370 --> 00:15:09,730 mouth spreading that I I have competence 353 00:15:14,150 --> 00:15:11,380 with exotics but it's kind of terrifying 354 00:15:17,579 --> 00:15:14,160 for being only four months out of school 355 00:15:18,750 --> 00:15:17,589 oh shoot exotic expert cozier and then I 356 00:15:21,300 --> 00:15:18,760 get something like I have no idea what 357 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:21,310 that is now when we were chatting to you 358 00:15:25,850 --> 00:15:24,010 even earlier some years ago when you 359 00:15:30,180 --> 00:15:25,860 were still in the middle of your studies 360 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:30,190 how how does the reality of what you 361 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:33,490 have to face in a practice relate to or 362 00:15:38,310 --> 00:15:35,290 compared to what you thought it would be 363 00:15:41,670 --> 00:15:38,320 like during your years on some kids uh 364 00:15:43,710 --> 00:15:41,680 well I was a technician before I went to 365 00:15:47,730 --> 00:15:43,720 that school so I had a pretty realistic 366 00:15:52,350 --> 00:15:47,740 view of what clinical practice would be 367 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:52,360 like um there are definitely those of my 368 00:15:57,449 --> 00:15:56,050 classmates who have less technical 369 00:15:58,949 --> 00:15:57,459 experience before starting school and 370 00:16:01,439 --> 00:15:58,959 I'm sure this is good of a rude 371 00:16:03,150 --> 00:16:01,449 awakening especially yeah if you could 372 00:16:06,060 --> 00:16:03,160 imagine people are very attached to 373 00:16:08,610 --> 00:16:06,070 their pets and the emotions can run high 374 00:16:12,630 --> 00:16:08,620 oh absolutely absolutely without 375 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:12,640 question you know from experience last 376 00:16:17,639 --> 00:16:15,850 year little cat Liddell died and you're 377 00:16:20,069 --> 00:16:17,649 very helpful in that net situation but 378 00:16:22,110 --> 00:16:20,079 all the motions run very high in we've 379 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:22,120 still have Fred he's kicking around here 380 00:16:31,050 --> 00:16:25,930 somewhere mr. good fit for ya when the 381 00:16:33,870 --> 00:16:31,060 financial versus the attachment kind of 382 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:33,880 dilemma happens is when we definitely 383 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:36,490 see some very high emotional states from 384 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:39,370 our owners because it's very difficult 385 00:16:45,059 --> 00:16:40,930 sometimes they feel like they're being 386 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:45,069 heartless or selfish or negligent even 387 00:16:48,990 --> 00:16:46,570 if if they just don't 388 00:16:52,500 --> 00:16:49,000 the finances there to manage a very 389 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:52,510 critically ill pet and so we have some 390 00:16:58,860 --> 00:16:54,610 very serious times talks about you know 391 00:17:00,600 --> 00:16:58,870 it's okay and we have these limitations 392 00:17:04,620 --> 00:17:00,610 we know that we have X amount of dollars 393 00:17:08,790 --> 00:17:04,630 to work with and if the patient is in 394 00:17:11,939 --> 00:17:08,800 pain or to end-of-life issues terminal 395 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:11,949 cancer that kind of thing then we sit 396 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:13,570 down and have this talk of you're not a 397 00:17:20,430 --> 00:17:15,850 bad person you're not a bad owner this 398 00:17:22,620 --> 00:17:20,440 is what you can do and if what the pet 399 00:17:25,230 --> 00:17:22,630 requires goes beyond those financial 400 00:17:28,439 --> 00:17:25,240 means then you can end things too mainly 401 00:17:31,980 --> 00:17:28,449 and that's not a bad or a selfish choice 402 00:17:33,420 --> 00:17:31,990 so I I have very serious very difficult 403 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:33,430 conversations pretty much of a daily 404 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:36,850 basis with honors and a lot of times 405 00:17:40,950 --> 00:17:38,650 that's all they need is that reassurance 406 00:17:44,850 --> 00:17:40,960 that they're not a bad person and it's 407 00:17:48,510 --> 00:17:44,860 okay it is you've got fifty dollars in 408 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:48,520 your wallet and you can't afford to do 409 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:51,010 three days of hospitalization and IV 410 00:17:55,710 --> 00:17:53,170 fluids and pain meds and you just can't 411 00:17:57,360 --> 00:17:55,720 it's okay you know we understand we're 412 00:18:00,480 --> 00:17:57,370 not gonna be like well sorry about your 413 00:18:02,910 --> 00:18:00,490 lock out the door that's that's really 414 00:18:05,370 --> 00:18:02,920 interesting to hear that from you 415 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:05,380 because i have just referring back to 416 00:18:11,010 --> 00:18:08,410 what a GP my dear will and I guess 417 00:18:13,860 --> 00:18:11,020 specialist too and we hear about how 418 00:18:16,260 --> 00:18:13,870 important the bedside manner is for for 419 00:18:18,810 --> 00:18:16,270 doctors to have a good rapport with 420 00:18:21,510 --> 00:18:18,820 their patients to put them at ease to to 421 00:18:23,220 --> 00:18:21,520 be understanding and I don't know what 422 00:18:25,650 --> 00:18:23,230 you'd call it with a vet though it's not 423 00:18:27,150 --> 00:18:25,660 quite a bedside manner you you might 424 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:27,160 have they're still use the same 425 00:18:30,090 --> 00:18:28,330 terminology even though you're 426 00:18:34,590 --> 00:18:30,100 technically correct yet it's like kennel 427 00:18:36,330 --> 00:18:34,600 side matter a kennel side matter maybe 428 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:36,340 you should rename it that's right this 429 00:18:39,930 --> 00:18:38,530 that's again it's something I guess 430 00:18:41,790 --> 00:18:39,940 wouldn't cross a lot of people's minds 431 00:18:44,550 --> 00:18:41,800 but being in your situation you'd 432 00:18:46,740 --> 00:18:44,560 certainly have to deal with that uh and 433 00:18:49,530 --> 00:18:46,750 a great great deal more than your 434 00:18:50,850 --> 00:18:49,540 average your GP I would think yeah the 435 00:18:54,750 --> 00:18:50,860 average if he doesn't really discuss 436 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:54,760 Ethan a Joe it is not really not really 437 00:18:58,280 --> 00:18:56,530 if we can get a slight giggle out of 438 00:19:02,870 --> 00:18:58,290 that you're absolutely right 439 00:19:05,570 --> 00:19:02,880 absolutely right and just to wrap things 440 00:19:09,290 --> 00:19:05,580 up and I'd probably ask ask you this 441 00:19:12,260 --> 00:19:09,300 before but do you do and I'm sure about 442 00:19:15,340 --> 00:19:12,270 you this before but what sort of magical 443 00:19:19,550 --> 00:19:15,350 thinking does a vet encounter from 444 00:19:23,300 --> 00:19:19,560 owners woo and things like that all 445 00:19:26,540 --> 00:19:23,310 kinds of things I have owners who treat 446 00:19:29,540 --> 00:19:26,550 their cats fleas holistically with herbs 447 00:19:31,780 --> 00:19:29,550 and such and don't believe in heartworm 448 00:19:34,460 --> 00:19:31,790 medication or chemicals or drugs 449 00:19:38,180 --> 00:19:34,470 probably the latest one that I see a lot 450 00:19:40,430 --> 00:19:38,190 of is um people who are on these grain 451 00:19:43,130 --> 00:19:40,440 free diets who are convinced that grains 452 00:19:47,230 --> 00:19:43,140 are the root of all evil and dog and cat 453 00:19:49,790 --> 00:19:47,240 health issues and I've had so many itchy 454 00:19:51,620 --> 00:19:49,800 because for some reason allergies even 455 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:51,630 food allergies and pets manifest as 456 00:19:57,290 --> 00:19:54,330 Toronto logic and they become very itchy 457 00:19:59,960 --> 00:19:57,300 and will tear themselves open scribe 458 00:20:02,240 --> 00:19:59,970 like biting and scratching um they'll 459 00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:02,250 get these itchy dogs and owners like I 460 00:20:07,220 --> 00:20:03,600 don't understand how she's still 461 00:20:10,490 --> 00:20:07,230 allergic she's on a grain free diet it 462 00:20:13,430 --> 00:20:10,500 so yeah that's probably the the gold 463 00:20:15,830 --> 00:20:13,440 star right now and the Wu tastic 464 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:15,840 thinking of what I see on a daily basis 465 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:17,850 have you had people come in saying I've 466 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:19,770 been treating my dog with homeopathy or 467 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:22,770 my cat without me over yeah um I 468 00:20:30,590 --> 00:20:26,850 actually recently just had um a fully 469 00:20:34,610 --> 00:20:30,600 paralyzed in the hind end dog come in 470 00:20:37,340 --> 00:20:34,620 and um it has a fairly poor prognosis as 471 00:20:41,150 --> 00:20:37,350 you can imagine within 24 hours if they 472 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:41,160 receive surgery it can have a better 473 00:20:48,050 --> 00:20:44,970 prognosis but um it's just not a really 474 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:48,060 great thing for me to have come in the 475 00:20:51,530 --> 00:20:49,890 door and have to talk to very upset 476 00:20:53,300 --> 00:20:51,540 owners who just came from home from work 477 00:20:55,910 --> 00:20:53,310 and found their dog you know unable to 478 00:20:58,280 --> 00:20:55,920 use his back legs and um so we kind of 479 00:20:59,870 --> 00:20:58,290 talked about well if you get to a 480 00:21:01,580 --> 00:20:59,880 specialist and you receive the surgery 481 00:21:06,820 --> 00:21:01,590 within 24 hours that's basically your 482 00:21:08,780 --> 00:21:06,830 dear only your only hope yeah um and 483 00:21:10,670 --> 00:21:08,790 they went to the special ition they 484 00:21:11,930 --> 00:21:10,680 couldn't afford the surgery so they were 485 00:21:14,289 --> 00:21:11,940 treating with Cairo 486 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:14,299 Arctic and acupuncture the last I heard 487 00:21:19,700 --> 00:21:17,730 Wow IQ puncture now that I can believe 488 00:21:22,100 --> 00:21:19,710 because I've heard about that for pets 489 00:21:25,580 --> 00:21:22,110 actually acupuncture for dogs and racing 490 00:21:28,460 --> 00:21:25,590 horses I think yep yeah chiropractic is 491 00:21:30,049 --> 00:21:28,470 huge in racing horses to leave you can 492 00:21:31,730 --> 00:21:30,059 imagine they don't they don't do spinal 493 00:21:35,570 --> 00:21:31,740 manipulation manually with their hands 494 00:21:37,399 --> 00:21:35,580 they have to use an air gun too yeah the 495 00:21:42,009 --> 00:21:37,409 spine of a horse you can imagine trying 496 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:42,019 to crack us yeah but it boggles the mind 497 00:21:47,810 --> 00:21:45,690 Annie a gun to folk IRA practicar a he 498 00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:47,820 can't you can't make this stuff up but 499 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:54,240 somebody did ice over yeah um so that 500 00:21:59,269 --> 00:21:57,090 kind of stuff it it kills me sometimes 501 00:22:01,460 --> 00:21:59,279 because I know that that patients not 502 00:22:03,259 --> 00:22:01,470 going to get any better and chiropractic 503 00:22:07,700 --> 00:22:03,269 especially for a spinal injury I'm just 504 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:07,710 floored by be wow the herniated disk and 505 00:22:12,289 --> 00:22:09,090 mash on it a bit that sounds like a 506 00:22:13,759 --> 00:22:12,299 fantastic idea it sounds to me like if I 507 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:13,769 can offer a little bit of advice you 508 00:22:19,789 --> 00:22:17,250 should note these stories along the way 509 00:22:21,860 --> 00:22:19,799 in about 20 20 30 years or so I think 510 00:22:25,039 --> 00:22:21,870 we'll make a cracking book actually The 511 00:22:29,299 --> 00:22:25,049 Adventures of the skeptical vet yeah I'm 512 00:22:31,549 --> 00:22:29,309 if I'm still here in 20 or 30 years well 513 00:22:33,889 --> 00:22:31,559 I certainly hope you are Julie letter 514 00:22:37,519 --> 00:22:33,899 and I hope for the sake of the animals 515 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:37,529 where you are you are to thank you once 516 00:22:42,049 --> 00:22:39,570 again for chatting to us it's really fun 517 00:22:44,180 --> 00:22:42,059 to catch up with you every roughly every 518 00:22:47,769 --> 00:22:44,190 year and find out whether you are in 519 00:23:05,210 --> 00:22:47,779 your career and your your adventures so 520 00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:08,070 the skeptic magazine the journal from 521 00:23:13,410 --> 00:23:11,200 Australian skeptics subscribe online to 522 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:13,420 the world's second oldest 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and some of the quiet 537 00:23:56,850 --> 00:23:55,420 horrible things that you see when you 538 00:23:58,920 --> 00:23:56,860 get out there you investigate together 539 00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:58,930 systems w if that gets sued assigned to 540 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:00,880 because of firsthand so please come 541 00:24:03,630 --> 00:24:02,050 along to Brisbane I look forward to 542 00:24:06,060 --> 00:24:03,640 seeing everyone there we have a beer 543 00:24:08,670 --> 00:24:06,070 afterwards to come along to tumble shire 544 00:24:10,980 --> 00:24:08,680 hall starting at six o'clock for a talk 545 00:24:13,470 --> 00:24:10,990 by Michael Marshall and drinks up to it 546 00:24:19,169 --> 00:24:13,480 for more info go to Brisbane skeptics 547 00:24:24,159 --> 00:24:21,969 welcome to a week in science from RI oz 548 00:24:27,129 --> 00:24:24,169 bring you the science you need to know 549 00:24:29,499 --> 00:24:27,139 it was one small step for an animal one 550 00:24:31,690 --> 00:24:29,509 giant leap for the animal kingdom but 551 00:24:33,879 --> 00:24:31,700 just how did the first vertebrates walk 552 00:24:36,489 --> 00:24:33,889 onto land and breathe air for the first 553 00:24:43,810 --> 00:24:36,499 time it's time to take a closer look at 554 00:24:45,820 --> 00:24:43,820 our first steps to recent papers reveal 555 00:24:48,249 --> 00:24:45,830 key insights into how the first 556 00:24:50,349 --> 00:24:48,259 vertebrates walked onto land and took 557 00:24:52,930 --> 00:24:50,359 their first breath the mechanism that 558 00:24:55,209 --> 00:24:52,940 determines whether you have fish fins or 559 00:24:57,579 --> 00:24:55,219 walking limbs is the rate at which a 560 00:25:00,039 --> 00:24:57,589 couple of hox genes are expressed hox 561 00:25:02,079 --> 00:25:00,049 genes are like Orchestra conductors they 562 00:25:04,719 --> 00:25:02,089 regulate how a whole suite of other 563 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:04,729 genes perform and changing its rate of 564 00:25:09,399 --> 00:25:07,129 expression can radically alter how an 565 00:25:11,139 --> 00:25:09,409 organism develops we learn more about 566 00:25:13,749 --> 00:25:11,149 limb building when developmental 567 00:25:17,049 --> 00:25:13,759 embryologists switch the hox genes from 568 00:25:19,329 --> 00:25:17,059 a fish to a mouse the fish Hawks gene 569 00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:19,339 could not produce fingers and toes in 570 00:25:24,249 --> 00:25:22,159 mice thus the genetic apparatus required 571 00:25:26,639 --> 00:25:24,259 to make fingers and toes must have 572 00:25:31,149 --> 00:25:26,649 evolved after walking limbs developed 573 00:25:33,129 --> 00:25:31,159 and we also now know how breathing 574 00:25:35,079 --> 00:25:33,139 developed for the first time and guess 575 00:25:37,479 --> 00:25:35,089 what we almost ended up breathing 576 00:25:40,419 --> 00:25:37,489 through our ears a team studied live 577 00:25:43,449 --> 00:25:40,429 Polly terrod fish from Africa these fish 578 00:25:46,239 --> 00:25:43,459 have a simple lung but no windpipe the 579 00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:46,249 team found that 93% of the air getting 580 00:25:51,369 --> 00:25:48,559 into the lung came through holes in the 581 00:25:53,649 --> 00:25:51,379 tops of the head called spiracles being 582 00:25:55,810 --> 00:25:53,659 surrounded by bone these structures are 583 00:25:57,969 --> 00:25:55,820 usually found in fossils of advanced 584 00:26:01,329 --> 00:25:57,979 fish and primitive walking vertebrates 585 00:26:03,310 --> 00:26:01,339 the tetrapods so now we can track how 586 00:26:06,279 --> 00:26:03,320 this early breathing mechanism developed 587 00:26:09,099 --> 00:26:06,289 in more advanced tetrapods like us the 588 00:26:13,820 --> 00:26:09,109 spiracles ended up becoming our ears and 589 00:26:16,229 --> 00:26:13,830 now for fast facts about walking on land 590 00:26:18,629 --> 00:26:16,239 while the standard body plan for 591 00:26:20,999 --> 00:26:18,639 tetrapods includes five fingers and toes 592 00:26:23,249 --> 00:26:21,009 at the ends of each limb some of the 593 00:26:25,739 --> 00:26:23,259 earliest land walkers had eight digits 594 00:26:27,659 --> 00:26:25,749 in recent years several fossil finds 595 00:26:29,869 --> 00:26:27,669 have completed the picture of every 596 00:26:32,969 --> 00:26:29,879 conceivable intermediate stage between 597 00:26:34,979 --> 00:26:32,979 advanced fish and the first land walking 598 00:26:37,259 --> 00:26:34,989 vertebrates the Queensland lungfish 599 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:37,269 while not an immediate ancestor tool and 600 00:26:41,609 --> 00:26:39,369 walking vertebrates provides a clear 601 00:26:44,099 --> 00:26:41,619 picture of how air-breathing evolved in 602 00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:44,109 fish before they walked onto the land 603 00:26:48,539 --> 00:26:46,960 and in case you're wondering Queensland 604 00:26:50,849 --> 00:26:48,549 lungfish are supposed to taste like a 605 00:26:53,609 --> 00:26:50,859 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homeopathy plus winner 647 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:16,409 of the Australian skeptics 2012 bents 648 00:29:22,100 --> 00:29:18,570 bren award addresses the world health 649 00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:22,110 organization as titled quote end the 650 00:29:27,019 --> 00:29:24,960 suffering of the Ebola crisis test and 651 00:29:29,210 --> 00:29:27,029 distribute homeopathy as quickly as 652 00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:29,220 possible to contain the outbreaks and 653 00:29:36,769 --> 00:29:34,799 quote it begins quote homeopathy has a 654 00:29:39,399 --> 00:29:36,779 proven track record of treating and 655 00:29:42,019 --> 00:29:39,409 preventing serious epidemic diseases 656 00:29:45,260 --> 00:29:42,029 it's used by governments for dengue 657 00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:45,270 fever leptospirosis epidemic fever 658 00:29:51,230 --> 00:29:47,840 malaria and Japanese encephalitis 659 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:51,240 epidemics and historically for other 660 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:54,330 serious contagious diseases the 661 00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:56,730 appropriate homeopathic medicine remedy 662 00:30:03,380 --> 00:29:58,799 is likely to be just as effective 663 00:30:07,850 --> 00:30:03,390 against the Ebola virus end quote well 664 00:30:09,889 --> 00:30:07,860 yes just as effective as the NHMRC s 665 00:30:12,730 --> 00:30:09,899 review of homeopathy found earlier this 666 00:30:17,570 --> 00:30:12,740 year homeopathy is not effective at all 667 00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:17,580 still some continue to believe Stefan 668 00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:19,520 browning New Zealand Green Party MP 669 00:30:24,500 --> 00:30:22,080 signed the change org petition last 670 00:30:27,980 --> 00:30:24,510 month and shared it on his Facebook page 671 00:30:29,899 --> 00:30:27,990 since deleted his green party colleagues 672 00:30:33,169 --> 00:30:29,909 and other New Zealand parliamentarians 673 00:30:35,630 --> 00:30:33,179 were not impressed in a public statement 674 00:30:37,730 --> 00:30:35,640 Prime Minister John Key declared the 675 00:30:41,980 --> 00:30:37,740 idea of using homeopathy to treat Ebola 676 00:30:46,279 --> 00:30:41,990 virus as quote barking mad end quote 677 00:30:48,500 --> 00:30:46,289 quote let's be honest this is a serious 678 00:30:50,299 --> 00:30:48,510 global issue and if he really thinks 679 00:30:54,500 --> 00:30:50,309 that's the answer I'd love to see the 680 00:30:57,770 --> 00:30:54,510 medical research end quote speaking to 681 00:30:59,930 --> 00:30:57,780 the media browning stated that quote it 682 00:31:02,330 --> 00:30:59,940 was probably a pretty unwise thing it 683 00:31:03,260 --> 00:31:02,340 was pretty late at night and I signed it 684 00:31:06,650 --> 00:31:03,270 because I'm not a 685 00:31:08,180 --> 00:31:06,660 opposed to homeopathy and quote he said 686 00:31:09,950 --> 00:31:08,190 that he did not intend to post it to 687 00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:09,960 Facebook and he wasn't about to promote 688 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:12,960 it Browning's green party colleagues 689 00:31:17,570 --> 00:31:15,090 however decided to condemn browning 690 00:31:20,810 --> 00:31:17,580 support of the petition with Green Party 691 00:31:23,150 --> 00:31:20,820 co-leader Metiria Turei announcing that 692 00:31:27,410 --> 00:31:23,160 the party supports quote evidence-based 693 00:31:29,330 --> 00:31:27,420 health policy and quote quote we wish to 694 00:31:31,310 --> 00:31:29,340 be very clear that we support the use of 695 00:31:33,980 --> 00:31:31,320 science and evidence when it comes to 696 00:31:37,730 --> 00:31:33,990 public health policy and quote said mr. 697 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:37,740 a quote individuals can make choices 698 00:31:42,380 --> 00:31:40,290 about their own health treatments but it 699 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:42,390 is critical public health decisions are 700 00:31:46,340 --> 00:31:44,730 evidence-based and the consumers have 701 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:46,350 appropriate evidence-based information 702 00:31:52,730 --> 00:31:48,810 of our alternative health products and 703 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:52,740 quote the Green Party caucus met and 704 00:31:57,410 --> 00:31:54,570 decided to remove the natural health 705 00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:57,420 products portfolio from browning merging 706 00:32:01,580 --> 00:32:00,240 it into the health portfolio browning 707 00:32:04,610 --> 00:32:01,590 said he can live with losing the 708 00:32:06,620 --> 00:32:04,620 portfolio quote I've got some other 709 00:32:09,020 --> 00:32:06,630 really gutsy portfolios and I'll be 710 00:32:13,370 --> 00:32:09,030 working very well on them and quote he 711 00:32:16,370 --> 00:32:13,380 said Browning's other portfolios include 712 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:16,380 agriculture biosecurity and food safety 713 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:19,650 a quick scan of his facebook page showed 714 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:21,690 a post in which he encouraged people to 715 00:32:26,090 --> 00:32:23,850 attend the Food Matters conference and 716 00:32:29,270 --> 00:32:26,100 tour in Wellington which featured 717 00:32:32,300 --> 00:32:29,280 speakers such as Vandana Shiva and Jilly 718 00:32:35,420 --> 00:32:32,310 Eric seralini who avere mentally aunty 719 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:35,430 genetic engineering in fact many posts 720 00:32:41,630 --> 00:32:37,050 on browning's Facebook wall have a 721 00:32:45,290 --> 00:32:41,640 similar anti-gmo tone dr. grant Jacobs 722 00:32:47,330 --> 00:32:45,300 on site blog Co door NZ points out that 723 00:32:50,210 --> 00:32:47,340 branning support of homeopathy for Ebola 724 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:50,220 quote is not an idle blunder but an 725 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:52,890 example of his thinking this line of 726 00:32:57,500 --> 00:32:54,570 thinking does not suit any portfolio 727 00:33:01,760 --> 00:32:57,510 with substantial science content some 728 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:01,770 would say any portfolio and quote while 729 00:33:06,530 --> 00:33:04,410 homeopathy for Ebola is an absurd notion 730 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:06,540 too much of the general public perhaps 731 00:33:11,690 --> 00:33:08,730 people are not so FA with the science of 732 00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:11,700 genetic engineering the media gave us a 733 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:13,440 bit of a giggle at brownings gaffe with 734 00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:16,290 homeopathy which is a good thing much of 735 00:33:18,479 --> 00:33:17,049 our society 736 00:33:20,659 --> 00:33:18,489 you now understands that homeopathy 737 00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:20,669 isn't something to be taken seriously 738 00:33:25,499 --> 00:33:23,440 but with the media and public react the 739 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:25,509 same way if a politician support of 740 00:33:31,950 --> 00:33:28,210 séralini the chat with the flawed GM fed 741 00:33:33,419 --> 00:33:31,960 rat studies was publicized as such I'd 742 00:33:35,369 --> 00:33:33,429 like to stress the importance of 743 00:33:38,609 --> 00:33:35,379 evidence-based thinking and policy 744 00:33:40,259 --> 00:33:38,619 across the board as for politicians who 745 00:33:42,810 --> 00:33:40,269 note that they're not scientists are not 746 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:42,820 well informed on technical matters get 747 00:33:47,899 --> 00:33:45,610 informed you have access to the best and 748 00:33:58,580 --> 00:33:47,909 brightest experts on any given subject 749 00:34:08,490 --> 00:34:06,210 3 30 minute video fear of Islamic law be 750 00:34:10,319 --> 00:34:08,500 so skeptical museum was known as a stray 751 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:10,329 cat recorded cars dead we need a litmus 752 00:34:14,460 --> 00:34:12,010 clear it algebra grampa tsuchikage 753 00:34:16,530 --> 00:34:14,470 podcast Petrova hooded garden engine but 754 00:34:18,839 --> 00:34:16,540 customs White's escaped aside a petrol 755 00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:18,849 bomb or still not initiated st at the 756 00:34:25,230 --> 00:34:23,649 web / skeptics society Raj guru hey 757 00:34:27,299 --> 00:34:25,240 everybody my name is carol and i'm the 758 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:27,309 founder of skeptics society russia come 759 00:34:30,899 --> 00:34:28,690 visit us in moscow and our bi-weekly 760 00:34:32,970 --> 00:34:30,909 meetings and also listen to our weekly 761 00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:32,980 podcast which is called skeptic and the 762 00:34:56,119 --> 00:34:34,510 site where you can find all that is 763 00:35:00,390 --> 00:34:59,009 well the mail is still not good from 764 00:35:02,459 --> 00:35:00,400 Richard Saunders and his couch of 765 00:35:04,289 --> 00:35:02,469 arrogance unfortunately he can't come 766 00:35:06,539 --> 00:35:04,299 off it he's still not well he can't be 767 00:35:08,370 --> 00:35:06,549 heard he can't be heard except only by 768 00:35:10,349 --> 00:35:08,380 dogs and that's not so good for a 769 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:10,359 podcast really they the pores just can't 770 00:35:14,549 --> 00:35:12,130 work the phone it's the whole opposable 771 00:35:16,410 --> 00:35:14,559 thumb thing see I did read that book but 772 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:16,420 for now on it's Maynard signing off from 773 00:35:21,479 --> 00:35:19,930 Maynard com a you won't come they have 774 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:21,489 listened to one of my podcast they 775 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:23,170 aren't as good as this but they do fill 776 00:35:33,509 --> 00:35:30,249 up about an hour by you've been 777 00:35:38,039 --> 00:35:33,519 listening to the skeptic zone visit our 778 00:35:40,529 --> 00:35:38,049 website at www skeptics on TV for 779 00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:40,539 comments contacts and extra video 780 00:36:01,060 --> 00:35:56,110 oh and before you go the 1980 penthouse 781 00:36:03,070 --> 00:36:01,070 pet of the year won a triumph tr7 or tr8 782 00:36:06,010 --> 00:36:03,080 pretty much a tr7 whether the ad engine 783 00:36:08,260 --> 00:36:06,020 put in it from rover so it was kind of 784 00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:08,270 like from the Leyland factory so I would 785 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:10,730 suggest that the 1980s pit Australian